This is a random site that someone pointed me to on a MB I visit from time to time. They were firm believers of what the people had put on this page. So I felt it was my duty to point out the little 'errors' that had cropped up in their list. I didn't reply to a lot of it, partily because there was a lot of repeats, partily because a lot it was very stupid. I mean, "Misleading episode titles"? Come on! *rolls eyes* But, here's the ones I actually wrote about.
"The Gundams are nearly invincible. "
- I've commented on this above, but basicly, a MS is only as good as it's pilot. Period. If you're a sucky pilot in a Gundam, that just means you get hit more before you die.
"Quatre's an idiot. He says he's sorry while he slaughters things. Oh, an indecisive soldier who hates to kill! Good idea, colonists! "
- Quater is a solider with compassion. Is that such a bad thing? He doesn't have a problem killing someone if it's necessary. He doesn't like it, but that doesn't mean he won't kill if he has to. Notice his kill count is up with Heero's and Trowa's? He just doesn't want un-necessary fighting and killing.
"Wu Fei is a malchauvenist pig to an annoying extent"
- I honestly don't think people give Wufei enough credit. He's not against women fighting. That's what the Americanized dub portrays, but he's really against people who are weak that try and fight. He thinks the weak should let the stronger protect them, male or female. Actually, he doesn't consider himself very strong. He's only a Gundam pilot because his wife died. He didn't think a lot of her because he didn't think she was stong, but she proved him wrong. She had her idea of justice, and that was enough for her. Wufei never really understands her, though he becomes a Gundam pilot to try and honor her memory. That doesn't sound a 'chauvenist pig' to me.
"The Wing Gundam Self Destructed. Heero lived. It was repaired. you can't live through that explosion, and you can't repair a pile of ash"
- It wasn't repaired, it was rebuilt. And yeah, it is kinda a joke that Heero lived. Most of GW fandom still wonders how one can weave gundanium, seeing as his shorts are probally made of that.
"After DeathScythe is shot several times in the head at close range, it's barely even scratched. But nah, this show isn't one sided!"
- Yes, it was damaged. But Duo also had contacts and a great deal of mecahnincal skill to repair any damage. Thus, Deathscythe lived on.
"An Aries goes down with one hit from a foot soilder's bazooka. That's just sad"
- An Aries is a crap MS. Just about everyone will agree with that. My personal theroy is that it's cheap to make, hence the army gets more bang for it's buck. Of course, when you have a lot of Aries, the bang is more likely to happen on your side....
"The buster rifle somehow destroys an army of Virgos, standing side by side, all of whom were shielded. It's a good thing we didn't have to sit through, say, an actual fight"
- The buster rifle is a highly concentrated laser beam. A small laser beam will cut through just about everything. Imagine what one probally a million times more powerful can do.
"There doesn't seem to be a war going on. Few or no civilian casualties whereas in MS Gundam, Zeon and Federal battles cause the deaths of civilians by the dozen."
- Just because they don't show the civilians dying, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It does happen a lot. The Gundam pilots are careful at first to avoid civilian areas and only target OZ. After a while, OZ starts hunting them down, and local people get caught up in the fight. You can see them because when really huge mecha blows up, it's kinda hard to draw the indigenious people running in fear, but there's lots of scenes where people are talking about it and you do see a lot of civilian towns come under the gun.
"Virtually all the main characters live, except Trieze, and that was technically suicide(you don't really think Wufei could've beaten Trieze in a real fight do you?) "
- First of all, that's an anime standard - If you're a main character, you're almost guarnteed to live. Second, yes I do think Wufei beat Treize on his own merits. After all, Wufei was wanting to die too.
"Why are all the main characters all so...pretty? It's like all the ugly people are either dead or evil, and all the heroes are total studs or babes! "
- Another anime standard. I dare you to find one really ugly guy or girl that's a main good character. (OK, you probally can, but not very many. That's my point.)
"OZ MS stay the same through the whole series: Leos and later Virgos and Taurus. Zeon MS get stronger as the series goes on: Zaku II to Gouf to Dom to Gelgoog(which is just as strong as the Gundam.)"
- First of all, I don't know how long the UC series are supposed to last. By that, I mean time span. GW time span is one year. Not a lot of technologial advancement in one year. The MS do get better toward the end, except they get turned into mobile dolls, which to me, defeats the whole purpose. I mean, hell, if you're going to just build robots to fight, why not break out a global game of Risk? It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper in any event.
"Heero can't kill Relena. He wants to, she wants him to, but he just can't do it."
- Actually, the only reason he's going to kill her is because she can identify him. She doesn't really want him to kill her, but that's not clear in the series. Go read the manga. It's a lot more clear there.
"Trowa can't bring enough ammo into battle to save his life. "
- This is another bit of GW humor we fans never understood. He does have a knife! But he never uses it. Trowa probally follows the philosophy 'Speak softly and carry a big gun'. Or, in his case, several big guns.
"Either Duo's a whip-crackin' slave driver or Hilde's a subservient, mindless drone."
- ROFLMAO! This one cracks me up! Yeah, Hilde does stuff for Duo, but he does stuff for her too. They work together in a lot of ways. I'm not really a DuoxHilde shipper, but it's not a Dom/sub relationship.
"Trowa should be deaf, he's got huge machine guns right above his head. Also, it should be very hot in there."
- Two words: Soundproofing and AC.
"Heero's spandex shorts are just a little X-rated"
- Another one that cracks me up. LOL How are they x-rated? They're snug, yes, but they don't show everything. Hell, you can't even see where he hides his gun.
"Duo was raised by priests, he wears preists clothes yet he dosn't belive in God, is obsessed with Satan and Death and is more Gothic than Catholic. "
- Duo is not Goth. He was not actually raised by priests. He spent a couple years in a Catholic-type orpanage. The people who ran it became his family, but he never actually believed in God. (yet another go-read-the-manga thing for ya). His reasoning was that he can't see God, but he's seen lots of death. That's why he does believe in the God of Death. (or Angel of Death, depending on your translation).
"In all the space battles the MS's explosions leave no pieces behind."
- Yes they do. In fact, later on, Duo makes some tidy money salvaging the bits and pieces.
"Capital ships. Where are they? I only saw two, and some pathetic 20th century looking destroyers. OZ has no battle fleet, just a bunch of suits and airborne carriers. Zeon had all sorts of heavy capital ships. Supply freighters, Musai class battleships, the Mad Angler, the Gallop, other things that I don't remember their names. The Federation had the Pegasus class, the Magellan class, and the Salamis class. "
- How many fights actually took place over water? I think if there had been more battles involving ships or someone had a water mobile base, we'd've seen a lot more.
"It doesn't focus any on people or Mobile Suits, just on speeches and war efforts."
- That's because GW is a lot more deep than a lot of other Gundam series. (from my experience anyways). This is not just a 'Oooooo thing go boom!' series. There's a lot of philosophy involved and a lot of different opinions that get explored about war and peace.
"The G-Boys are supposed to be this ultra secret covert operations team. Heero got busted on DAY 1 of the job by geting caught by Zechs. Sloppy tradecraft."
- That's what spies are for. OZ knew about the Gundams, or at least, had some information about the Gundams, before they came to Earth. That just proves that OZ had a very good information gathering system.
"The scientists THEMSELVES trained the G-Boys for their operation. I guess the colony's military forces must have been so lazy to have actually given this job to the old geezers."
- The colonists did not build the Gundams, nor did they have anything to do with the Gundams. white Fang is actually the main party responsible for financing and manufacturing the Gundams. The five scientists they got to actually build the Gundams had worked together on Tallgeese. After they realized the true reason behind White Fang's idea for the Gundams, they decided to foil that plan as best they could. The Gundam pilots knew about their original mission (i.e., weaken Earth and drop the colony), but they choose not to do that. They went along with the five scientists.
"Some GW fans tried to rationalize this by saying "The colonists were planning a colony drop AFTER the G-Boys weaken Earth defenses". Really? How did they plan to transport one when they didn't even have warships or MS to escort it? Or are they assuming that the Feds are so stupid that they'd just let them do it in a sense of fair play... "
- First of all, the colonies are rather close in Earth's orbit. It would not take very much to spin one out of control so it would drop. That's what happened in Gundam X actually. They wouldn't need to be in control of it, just get someone on the colony that could infiltrate the defenses and start the process. Probally a suicide mission, but fanatics will do anything for their cause.
"The physics of the world are altered when needbe. Trowa destroys Deathscythe in 1 hit, a fully intact body. When that same beam cannon hits a standing Gundam, No damage. The Hell? "
- Deathscythe was non-functional at that time. Remember, Duo was on it in space, he had no weapons and actually tried to self-destruct. Deathscythe was trashed anyways, so it really didn't take much to finish the job.
"Why in Episode 17 does DeathScythe and Sandrock have such a hard time getting past the Leos at the shuttle base? The Leos have the aforementioned pea shooter guns. "
- The Leos have a shit-load of pea shooter guns. Not to mention that the Gundams are almost out of ammo and power. I don't care how good a pilot you are, that's going to be difficult.
"Any time one of the Gundam pilots gets into the cockpit on an OZ mobile suit, it can take about 10x the punishment that it normally takes. It sometimes seems that 1 or 2 bullets can off an OZ suit when a bad guy pilots it. Exaples are in the Duo meets Hilde episode and even when Heero battles Wu Fei in the movie. "
- The Gundam pilots are excellent pilots. Notice that when an average pilot gets into a Gundam, they don't do so good.
"the very costly gundams of Gundam Wing are the only stealth mobile suits in the series. Which is to say, they are not detected by a radar."
- The first part of that sentance should answer your question. The makers are probally commenting about the army being cheap.
"No rational reason behind many things. Why did White Fang revolt? Did they all just get bored, drunk, high, and say "Let's revolt"? "
- If you listened to the first few episodes, it's pretty odvious. The Federation was very oppressive and ruled the colonies with an iron fist. Not to many people will stand for that.
"No real explanation as to why Wufei decided to be evil and join the Mariemaia Army in Endless Waltz."
- He does explain himself at the end when he's fighting Heero. By this point, he does consider himself a soldier, but now, no one needs him anymore. He's not sure what do with himself or his life. He joins Marimeia to try and figure that out.
"Total disregard for politics in any way, realistic or not. The abolition of national borders would cause a sweeping riot across the world and countless revolutions. It would make the deaths of millions of people in thousands of wars entirely useless and in vain. The world would never just happily accept having all its borders abolished and making the deaths of millions of people across thousands of wars for nothing, and they sure wouldn't take this crap from a 15-year-old girl. "
- Not if you had a bunch of MSs to step on those that fought back. Remember, Relena is speaking for OZ at this point. She does agree that national boundries should be abolished and everyone should consider themselves as members of the human race, not by nationality. But she is rather naive in a lot of regards. Right now. she has OZ backing her. But later on she starts pulling away from OZ and trying do push for real peace instead of armed peace. Yes, she's very nieve and optimistic. But at least she's trying to do what she thinks is right.
"Tubarov is so annoying. But at least he died."
- Amen.
"The dubbed version sucks ASS. I have the DVD of Endless Waltz, and I refuse to watch the English version. Even if the subtitler should be shot"
- Amen to that too. Well, I don't have the DVD version, but the English translation is really goofy. The voices are good, but they get a lot of things wrong.
"Gundam Wing models are crap. The plastic is brittle and the proportions are off. Worst of all, they have "HG" kits modeled all in one color! Go buy an HGUC kit and spare yourself the heart break. "
- Another funny one!! The only thing the models have to do with the series is they're made to LOOK like the MSs. They're cheap plastic so Bandai can sell more of them and make lots and lots of money. It's called merchendising, and it's something every toy company does now. If you don't like the color, here's a news flash for you: Paint it!
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If you want to check out the whole list, here's the link. Please don't take this as an invitation to flame the person who runs it! This is just good for a laugh.